Shooting off Christchurch Way

Apparently in the new flats. No details as yet, but sounds ominous. My thoughts are with the families of those concerned. A shocking thing to have happened in an area that doesn’t usually see much trouble.


70 Comments to “Shooting off Christchurch Way”

  1. Richard says:

    @PiratePatch. London is and always was a very very transient city. The number of true ‘locals’ will always be outnumbered by the rest of us who chose to come and live here. If the fact that new arrivals make it more difficult for ‘locals’ to buy houses, tough.

    Unfortunately you are far more likely to live next to a criminal if you are poor.

  2. PiratesPatch says:

    “Unfortunately you are far more likely to live next to a criminal if you are poor.”

    The more l read these comments the more l see the bubble that surrounds people!

    Isnt Cornwall the second poorest county in the country, which would mean all those from London with their nice second homes in St Ives or Helford would be living next to a poor person/criminal!

    I think some of you need to go back to school and learn something!

  3. Folks – is it just me losing my way in this conversation?

    Seems to me:

    a) Someone has lost their life.

    b) Which is appalling.

    c) We would all like this not to happen again

    d) The best way to do this is to get together to ensure that the developer works with the council to make sure the Lovells Wharf buildings are finished, inhabited, well-lit and a good place to live/ be around/ go past on the newly-reopened Thames Path (which will, of course, happen as soon as this is done.)

    Surely who actually lives in the place is only secondary to these things at this stage? Getting it done and getting it safer to be around comes first, I’d have thought?

    If the Lovells Wharf developers want to attract the kind of top-end prices they crave for the rest of the build, they’re going to have to make the place somewhere that murders don’t get committed. They have to get their money back.

    We have leverage here.

  4. P & D says:

    Peoples levels of ignorance are truely astounding.

    No, it is not true that poorer people commit crime or make bad neighbours. I police in central London, Belgravia to be precise, and I can tell you that I arrest (extremely) wealthy people for all sorts of crimes.

    I have been in apartments that cost over £50 million to arrest people for domestic violence. I have raided a very exclusive mews house in Knightsbridge where the art crowd were snorting cocaine like it was going out of fashion. I have separated wealthy neighbours in Fitzrovia for brawling over a parking space and I have seen some terrible levels of neglect of elderly in Belgrave Square.

    Similarly, I live in a terraced house in east Greenwich and have wonderful neighbours on both sides. We have social housing (housing association) in our road and no problems.

    Please get off your high horse and splitting this discussion in to a ‘them’ and ‘us’ thing as you truely haven’t got a clue what you are talking about. Crime happens anywhere for all sorts of reasons and is perpetrated by every single socio economic group.

  5. Richard says:

    So the British Crime Survey is incorrect?

  6. P & D says:

    “Lies, damned lies, and statistics”

  7. Jen says:

    This is a very sad discussion. I don’t know what to make of it all tbh, some of the thoughts and comments are distressing. However, not nearly as distressing as seeing my neighbours, such a happy lovely and caring family completely overcome with the distress of losing their loved one. I know local issues are important, but when you see the hurt they are going through, you kinda just forget about it!!! Someone died people, and I’m sure he didn’t deserve it!

  8. No one deserves to die, Jen. I don’t know what to make of it either. Sometimes discussions take some very odd tangents.

  9. Steve says:

    Jen: “However, not nearly as distressing as seeing my neighbours, such a happy lovely and caring family completely overcome with the distress of losing their loved one.”

    Sorry, are we talking about the same murder?

    The stepfather is Dave Courtney, an (in)famous former East End gangster who admits to serious assaults and murder. The victim had a hobby of robbing drug dealers and his murder was over drugs (and for someone to have him killed, suggests this feud was pretty serious).

    After the murder, Courtney himself said, “If anyone needed an advert to say crime doesn’t pay, then let Genson be that advert.”

    Obviously I’m not justifying or condoning this brutal crime but if you live by the sword….

  10. PiratesPatch says:

    Steve…you are all heart…your family must be proud of you!

  11. Richard says:

    I thought to leave things for a while before participating. Let it cool a bit.

    There are some simple truths. The first is death by violent crime is always tragic, rarely planned and normally committed by and between people who were friends or family. In this case, it wasn’t. It appears to have been a gang or drug related event. Sad, but if you move in that world it is part of the lifestyle. It is accepted by the people in it, and that’s the way it is.

    Different types of people (rich, poor, black, white, gay, straight) live in Greenwich side by side, and it is much a better place in London for it. I am from here, live here, yes own a nice house here and pay my taxes here. I don’t regard others who don’t meet the criteria as ‘outsiders’ I am not ‘Little England’ for wanting people to show respect for their neighbourhood or their neighbours.
    I hope I am a decent person who simply wants to live next to other decent people. I don’t care if they are housing association, local authority tenants, private tenants or home owners. I want to live in a good area with good people. THAT is NOT too much to ask of anyone.

  12. Bob Local says:

    I work in Greenwich and was born there.

    I love the area but i’m sad that violent Crime has touched another family in London.

    I accept the incident may have been related to Criminal activity but i’m certain somebody loved and will miss him.

    I’ve had enough. I love this City but as soon as I can draw my Pension i’m off somwhere where the only deaths on the Streets are flattened Hedgehogs.

  13. Jen says:

    Steve, I don’t care who his stepfather was, I don’t care what you may have read in the media about what he supposedly did, all I care about is that this doesn’t happen again. As lovely Greenwich is, and as proud as I am to live here, I don’t expect it to be any different than any other borough of London. Like I said before, no one deserves to be killed, especially in the way Genson did, and no family deserves to feel such pain. Have a heart eh?

  14. Mary says:

    I am not going to go on about this but I have just dug out of my files the crime maps which the local police gave out at their meeting with local people in mid-May. These show exactly what crimes were committed where and on what date during April. This detailed information is available – although I think it is up to the police to put it here, rather than me. Anyway they don’t anything in the way of crime around the Lovells blocks. I also hope people have seen the Shopper report of a local fraudster about to be sent to jail -and where did he live?? why – the posher bit of Blackheath.

  15. Steve says:

    I’ll ignore PiratesPatch as he’s obviously trolling.

    However, Jen, please do not label this family as “lovely and caring” when they are clearly nothing of the sort, but a selfish, devious and evil entity.

    This is a violent criminal, from a family of violent criminals, meeting a violent death.

    Instead of defending them, why not have a heart for this family’s many victims over the past many years.

  16. Pedro says:

    The man who was shot was 23. You may, Steve, have a profound understanding of his life which allows you to dismiss his death in such a facile manner, but I doubt it.

    Doubtless he made mistakes – perhaps he failed to transcend his own background or the expectations. But have you? What have you done with your own life that allows you to dismiss another so readily? Seems to me you’ve demonstrated your own shallowness and selfishness in as graphic a way as anyone here.

  17. Jen says:

    Steve, I am not talking about his stepfather, but his grandparents, aunts and cousins who ARE the most loving and caring people, who will do anything for anyone!

    On that note, I’m done!!!

  18. Jen says:

    I apologise for not making myself clear in previous comments. I thought I had made it clear that I was talking about his GREENWICH family, not his immediate plumstead family. I live not too far from where he died, and live on the same street as his Greenwich based family. I do not defend anything that his stepfather has ever done but I am also not one to judge someone I have never met or known of.

    Now I’ve apologised for this confusion, Steve, will you apologise for being an enormous idiot?

    Now I’m done!

  19. Pelton Pirate says:

    It’s a shame that what could’ve been a productive debate has descended into a bit of a bunfight.

    I live on Pelton Road having arrived in 2010 via Tunbridge Wells, New Cross, Blackheath and stints in Germany and New York, and have to say I’ve had a mixed experience of life here thus far.

    From the speeding idiots that use the area as a morning/evening rat-run, to the speeding idiots that live in the postcode (if you park your car on the streets round here and drive like a tit, chances are locals will notice you, to the anti-social so-and-so’s who seem to think that just because they drink in a pub here, they should be allowed to act howsoever they please, regardless of the time of day or night, to the lovely kind, caring & friendly old folks who still stop and talk to say hello, tell you about times gone by, and to the friendly, helpful neighbours I have… and a few chats with the local bobbies, PCSO’s. I’ve had the pleasure of them all.

    It’s sad to hear this happened so nearby (I was away at the time, so missed it entirely), but I don’t blame it on the development, or lack of it’s completion. I do agree wholeheartedly with the thoughts aired that it needs attending to, if for no other reason than I’m sure it’s current state is in breach of it’s planning agreement, and that those who live there and nearby deserve it in a finished state so they can enjoy their newly furbished neighbourhood (which almost always engenders a sense of civic pride).

    Whilst it’s tragic that a young life was snubbed out so cruelly and in cold blood, I don’t believe that such a killing happens randomly, so can only assume that it’s a case of a single, planned attack. As such I can take some relief that hopefully it’s not going to be a regular occurrence in the area.

    That event is in the extreme, but there is an element in the area (as in most wards I presume), who seem not to really give a damn about the rest of the community, and treat it as their own personal playground. That’s unfair, unreasonable, and something which I personally can’t fathom.

    Richard’s post above sums it up my feelings entirely, so I’ll re-iterate his last words if I may…

    “I hope I am a decent person who simply wants to live next to other decent people. I don’t care if they are housing association, local authority tenants, private tenants or home owners. I want to live in a good area with good people. THAT is NOT too much to ask of anyone.”

  20. Wayne says:

    Amen to that Pelton Pirate. I was born in Bermondsey, so fairly local, and have lived in Banning Street for almost 10 years now. During that time we’ve seen the area change almost annually. Not just building but the general vibe. We’ve had spells of trouble with unruly teenagers in the street and we’ve been burgled once but overall it’s a fairly quiet, decent area and neighbours look out for each other.

    This murder is by far the worse thing to have happened in our time here, although reading an earlier comment there was a rape I hadn’t heard about which is also seriously bad.

    Let’s hope it is a one-off but I guess being residents we all have our part to play.

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)