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Monday, 29 June 2009

World Heritage Building Site

Thanks to everyone who sent me the news that Greenwich Hospital Trust have applied for permission to shift the market to the Old Royal Naval College's grounds for a couple of years before the magic 2012.

I guess that in itself that doesn't bother me too much - it's temporary - and as long as they replace the turf afterwards, it probably won't do much harm in the long term.

But Rod and I have been wondering about what all this concurrent building work - which everyone's doing at the same time as nobody wants to be the one who waits until 2013 to spruce up their shop window - is going to do to us as a World Heritage Site.

As Rod points out, Dresden has just been stripped of its WHS status because it built a four-lane bridge a mile from the town centre. UNESCO points out that the city failed to preserve its "outstanding universal value as inscribed." It's only the second time that a site has been declassified (the other was in Oman) but it proves that however heavy-hearted it may be to do it, UNESCO is prepared to use the knife.

Whatever we think of World Heritage Sites, to be listed as one is a privilege and it does bring in revenue we wouldn't have otherwise - not least from tourism.

Let's just take a peek at what Greenwich will look like in 2010, and you tell me - if you were a foreign tourist, would you visit this World Heritage Site? (I'm not going to count anything outside the WHS, like the 'new heart for East Greenwich,' which in the past year has had nothing more than its signs replaced as the government department changed its name. Again...)



  • The Old Royal Naval College - partially closed due to building work. The creation of the new Discovery Centre (and brewery) has seen large amounts of scaffolding and hoardings in the grounds for some time now.

  • The Cutty Sark - in shreds - and, worryingly, with no end in sight.

  • Cutty Sark Gardens - apparently there is to be a refurb here too, which is why the market couldn't move here.

  • Greenwich Pier - in a complete state of hideousness, having sold off a historic waiting room and a new, not-very-heritage-friendly building to be erected in its place. The sellers reckoned the Victorian waiting room was unusable and unsaveable. Try telling that to the guys at St Kitts. UNESCO might be tempted to agree with our friends in the Caribbean, who have bought it to restore.

  • Greenwich Market - closed, a total building site. Demolition of Edwardian buildings.

  • Greenwich Village Market - closed - demolition in progress for new building, which may or may not be a paragon of architecture.

  • National Maritime Museum - Demolition in progress of Victorian buildings in preparation for the new Sammy Ofer Wing.

Tell me - just how does all this add up to our being a strong contender for keeping WHS status? I know the building work itself is temporary. But I worry that each faction thinks it's only them that's pulling down old buildings, only them that's making a mess of their little bit of Greenwich. We can only keep our fingers crossed for those 2010 horsey trials in the park...

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Blogger rod said...

Taken all in all, it's very worrying - everybody ploughing on with their little projects and not thinking about the bigger picture. Has any of the work detailed in this post been run past UNESCO?
Some of the work will doubtless improve the town, but part of the damage that the Olympics is already doing is that all the work has to happen in the same tight timeframe, so that it's all completed for 2012. It's a lot of disruption (and worse) for a couple of hours on TV, with the occasional five-second cutaway of the ORNC.
The destruction of Victorian buildings at the Museum, destruction of the Edwardian stable block in Durnsford St and the removal of the Victorian waiting room at the Pier are all great causes for concern. Bath has engaged in consultation with UNESCO regarding development work planned there - has there been any such consultaion between Greenwich and UNESCO?

29 June 2009 10:49  
Anonymous Wolfe said...

Quite apart from the masses of ongoing building work is the cavalier way that Greenwich Foundation run the Old Royal Naval College site. Barely a week passes when they haven't hired out the place to a film company, one of the increasingly bewidering number of festivals, or simply to a coach company for parking. It is now extremely rare to see the buildings without cars, catering trucks, coaches or lorries stacked up outside them.

This make-money-at-all-costs attitude toward such a beautiful site is also endangering world heritage site status as well as making ORNC less and less of a joy to visit.

29 June 2009 13:38  
Anonymous Jack said...

I'm not sure that Greenwich is likely to lose the World Heritage label: certainly it doesn't appear on Unesco's Danger List (http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=86), which suggests that there is little threat at the moment.

Or that Unesco just doesn't look, of course.

But then I do wonder if Greenwich deserves the tag. If you look at the criterion for selection it was the Park, the Queen's House, the ORNC, the Observatory and St Alfrege's, all of which are wonderful, but what ties it all together?

Frankly I think the bit that lets the whole thing down is the Island/Hospital site: stand further up Nelson Rd and look at the top of the buildings on either side and you can see what these buildings once were, but the appalling splodge at eye level destroys any chance of seeing the site as it was originally intended.

Certainly Bath is lightyears ahead of Greenwich for conservation and protection of their World Heritage site. It's probable that Greenwich Council (and the Hospital administrators) doesn't care because they know they will never be in serious danger of losing WH status, but I can't be the only local who would like to see them sweat a little over it...

29 June 2009 13:49  
Anonymous Bod said...

Just to add to your list, Phantom - don't forget the foot tunnel will also be closed.....

29 June 2009 16:08  
Anonymous LS said...

as an aussie who moved to the Greenwich area precisely because of the attraction of the lovely old buildings etc, I think it's a real shame. I always take my aussie visitors to Greenwich as an example of how beautiful and well kept it is, but so much development and destruction of buildings makes me less inclined to do so in future.

29 June 2009 16:57  
Anonymous M said...

@ Wolfe...

Here here... presumably the central drag through the ORNC is the only bit of G'wich TRULY protected from real change, given it's ability to reel in the film crews & ergo the dosh.

shame - with a bit of tidying and more concern for creating a "bath like" feel (nice analogy btw..) in the place it would be really deserving of its UNESCO status.

29 June 2009 17:34  
Anonymous Paul said...

Dear Phant the rant

Not all bad news

See the update below from the Cutty Sark website

Look forward to you report next summer

'The ship was originally due to re-open in 2009 but Cutty Sark suffered a major fire on 21 May 2007 which resulted in a 14-month delay on the project and significantly increased costs. Thankfully, due to heroic fire-fighting there was amazingly little damage to the ship’s original material and the Conservation Project can continue as planned. With additional significant financial contributions from The Heritage Lottery Fund and Sammy Ofer, The Cutty Sark Conservation Project is back on course, due to re-open Summer 2010.'

Cutty Sark Website

29 June 2009 17:42  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

Hmmm.

29 June 2009 17:45  
Blogger StoneMuse said...

Hope that's true Paul, but have my doubts

29 June 2009 18:35  
Anonymous Bod said...

Well, if it's on their own website, written by people with a vested interest in only putting out good news, it MUST be true...

I don't think anyone should be holding their breath in 2010. Sadly.

29 June 2009 19:44  
Anonymous Jim said...

Phantom - I think you are right to flag your concerns, but lets not forget some of the works you talked about could be argued to be necessary.

Whilst I wonder say they are all essential, I fully support any attempts to improve cutty sark gardens for instance.

I mean the word gardens conjures up an image of a lush green area that is sadly betrayed by the reality. I therefore welcome any improvements that are being made down there - and now seems an ideal time to embark on those works due to the state of the Tea Clipper.

So whilst people are right to question - lets not pretend it is all doom and gloom and that no good will come out of these works at all.

29 June 2009 20:09  
Anonymous Paul said...

Well, my Glass is half full.

I have lived in Greenwich all my life Heriatge site or not., if you can't support the people in your own town who work to improve the heritage who can you support?

Phant if I remember right you are friend of the Cutty Sark be a good friend and show some trust.

Come on its a lot better than it used to be, do we want to go back to when the Navel College for MOD submariners playing with a mini nuc power station.

Do you think my parents were consulted when they descided to put that in thier basement.

It not a perfect world but I think Greenwich is getting better and I'm happy to support the hard working people who are trying to do make a bit better.

29 June 2009 20:23  
Anonymous Rod said...

The Durnsford St stable block is history - dead as MJ. Greenwich Planning Office are rolling over like well-fed tabby cats.
I'm not guessing - you heard it here first

29 June 2009 23:43  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

Agree that there are few things that could be done to the Cutty Sark gardens that would make them less like a garden. I haven't heard anything at all about any plans though - I'm just told there ARE plans, which is why the market couldn't go there.

Anyone got any ideas?

30 June 2009 07:46  
Anonymous Paul T said...

How predictable. Greenwich Council rushed through Cutty Sark Gardens on the basis they needed to get it right for the millennium. Now they've acknowledged they did a crummy job.

I confidently expect that same thing to happen with all the work rushed through for the Olympics.

Rod, I'm saddened but not surprised by the fate of Durnford Street. Until someone builds an active pressure group, I guess this will continue; perhaps the answer is to join the Greenwich Society and exert some pressure from the inside.

30 June 2009 10:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greenwich Council have put the revamp of Cutty Sark Gardens out to tender. I'm not sure if they've decided on a design yet.

30 June 2009 15:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have lived in Greenwich for over 60 years and I have never seen west Greenwich in such a shambles. I saw a lot of disappointed looking visitors there last Sunday wandering around - no pier, no Cutty Sark, nothing except a lot of litter!

30 June 2009 20:25  
Blogger Tom said...

I was in Greenwich also on Sunday and saw thousands of tourists having a great time at the festival (until the rain came) ... half-glass full guy I guess ...

30 June 2009 23:54  
Anonymous lula said...

Whats the dunsford stable block Rod?

2 July 2009 13:59  
Anonymous Rod said...

lula
Not your fault, but just having finished a 9 hour shift in murderous heat, I typed you a long summary of what the situation is, what has already been discussed on this blog etc etc etc. But my rubbish ISP crashed and it all got lost.
So - no offence, but it's all been discussed here before, you'll easily find it.
Better still, walk up Durnford St and see if you can find some charming little redbrick Edwardian buildings (hint, on the right as you approach the Market)beginning where Snappy Snaps ends.
They are part of the provenence of the Market, providing the link between the C18th exterior residential properties and the interior core buildings.
They are the sole remaining purely utilitarian (non retail) buildings of that age in the town centre.
They are going to be demolished to make space for rubbish bins and waste compactors (not joking).

They are going to be destroyed, despite many objections from local people because the Council (by and large) don't care and are just going to roll over and let a major town centre landlord do waht they like.

2 July 2009 22:53  
Anonymous Paul said...

Rod,
WHere's your blog?

5 July 2009 20:47  
Anonymous Paul said...

Whoops, misread, forget that last post.

Again, sorry, sad, frustrated, angry to hear this news.

Lula, one of many references tp the buildings on Dunford St, whose fate Rod has summarised so eloquently, is here:

http://www.thegreenwichphantom.co.uk/2008/10/hidden-victim-or-good-riddance.html

5 July 2009 22:38  

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