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Tuesday, 10 June 2008

Not A Lot Of Allotments


I've been thinking about allotments (again...) There was a time when Greenwich was covered with them - look at old maps and you'll see that much of the Peninsula and quite a lot of space around Tunnel Avenue was given over to allotment and market gardening land.


Someone suggested I start a petition to get Greenwich Council to create more allotments, but I have a sneaking suspicion from a feature I read about those (much loved) allotments that were destroyed in Ilford last year, that although the law says the council has to provide sites, it's not specific about where they should be.


The thing is that Greenwich does have allotment sites available (or did last time I asked.) Problem is that they're right at the far end of the borough - a good car journey or several bus rides away, which makes them impractical to get to on a regular basis without further warming the globe and allotmenteers' tempers. They are situated where many people already have large houses and gardens so don't really need allotments too. Here, in more built-up Greenwich, where many have flats or micro-gardens, the demand is fierce and supply minuscule.


Trouble is, that if we tried to get Greenwich Council to provide sites on legal basis, I suspect they'd just say they were fulfilling their statutory duty by providing land in the outskirts.


But here's a thought. What if we were to suggest spare scraps of land which are currently just derelict - or that would never be used for housing anyway. Perhaps the council could purchase it cheaply or negotiate with the owners to create new sites, if they were put under enough pressure. After all allotments are trendy right now - it would give the council acres of things to write about in Greenwich Time now that they've knocked the pics of Chris Roberts on the head.


I'll start.


Railway land. This is a traditional source of allotments, especially Ooop North. There's that bit around Westcombe Park's North platform, for starters - South East Trains have, perhaps unwisely - planted Eucalyptus trees there - they will need to come down before they get much bigger or they'll undermine the houses. But create a couple of plots there and the extra people tending their allotments may help stop vandalism. On the South side is that bit of concreted land at the end of Westcombe Hill, just begging to be taken over.


Motorway Land. Slightly more prone to pollution, but plant lots of trees between the motorway and that strip of land alongside Tunnel Avenue, and there are a dozen or more plots to be had.


That Old Factory Site in Charlton. I've no idea what it was but it runs along Woolwich Road; ASDA runs along the back of it. It's effectively one enormous walled garden, as far as I can see. The only difference being that at the moment all it's producing is weeds and dead shopping trolleys.


The Peninsula. Has it all been bought by consortia? Or is there space to bring back what was historically a green and fertile veg plot?


Lovell's Wharf. Is it too late to slap a Section 106 on it requiring land for people who buy the flats to grow some food on it if they wish?


Do you know of an unloved space that could provide an allotment or two? Or am I just being Saddo Fantasist Phantom?

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14 Comments:

Blogger Margie said...

How about the old garage at the southern end of Greenwich High Road?

It'd also be nice if Greenwich council had an arrangement in place with neighbouring borough for a kind of reciprocal access deal for those of us who live on the borders, though I do realise that's fraught with difficulties!

10 June 2008 14:25  
Blogger Benedict said...

I did see something on the tele last week about new allotments in the east end. They got short leases on odd bits of land (like the garage margie suggests) then fill it up with those big bags you get gravel and stuff delivered in, except they fill it up with compost from the council and voila! Instant allotment!
Oh the magic wonder of it all, we grow the seed, we eat the fruit, the council composts, we grow the seed.......

10 June 2008 17:53  
Blogger rod said...

If by the old factory site in Charlton on the Woolwich rd, you mean the empty site behind East Greenwich Fire Station (not sure if you do, but if you do.....) there are plans for that piece of land in the fairly near future. No not luxury flats.....
The idea of reciprocal arrangements for those who live on the borders is an excellent one, and I can't see why that should be fraught with difficulties. Just wants sorting out, that's all.

10 June 2008 22:48  
Anonymous Will said...

On my way out of Maze Hill station last night I had a flyer for Seren Park (aka 'the old nurses home')thrust into my hand. (Marketing to people who already live in the area seems slightly odd - perhaps they need to demonstrate demand to get some finance?).

Anyway, I looked at the whizzy web site and noted:

1 - they are claiming that they will have 'dedicated access' to Maze Hill, and more pertinantly
2 - there is absolutely no sign of the Restell Road allotments on the maps and animations.

I trust this is just glossy flim-flam...

11 June 2008 10:06  
Anonymous mrs bins said...

A mate of mine who lives in Lewisham was granted an allotment behind Eltham Palace about 18 months ago. Not sure how THAT works!

11 June 2008 12:28  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

As far as I understand you can apply for an allotment wherevr you live from whatever council you like and if they have a plot free you can have it. There's no rules that you have to live in an area - common sense usually dictates that you want a plot near to where you live. But if you're geographically closer to one in another area, you can apply for that one even if you're not in that area, or so I beleive.

11 June 2008 12:32  
Blogger Tina Mammoser said...

There's a great allotment site/group up on Middle Park Avenue. Yes, it's the edge of the council again but they are big plots and might even still have some available. I had one but had to give it up when I moved all the way down by the river. I just can't quite manage to cycle all the way uphill there. :)

11 June 2008 12:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am told that the old factory used to be Airfix Models.

11 June 2008 17:13  
Anonymous knowwall said...

that old factory was Airfix models but it was built as the LCC Tram repair depot- hence it is in Feltram Way - Mr.Fell was the superintendant. There were rails and a turntable there quite recently.

11 June 2008 17:47  
Anonymous Indigo said...

I'd like Greenwich Council to buy what is known as 162a Woolwich Road - that's a strip of land to the west of Fairthorn Road - 100 years ago or more, it was a farm track, then there were low sheds erected on part of it (the ruins were there 30 years ago but they have long since fallen down and disappeared). Some years ago, it was bought for £59,000 by a man and his wife who expected to be able to sell it for development; but it has no emergency access, and they have failed twice to obtain planning permission. Over the last year, the current owner tried to improve its saleability by knocking down a couple of garden walls to widen his land and - incredibly - unilaterally annexing two feet of railway embankment, all along the western edge of his land. (Our local Councillor knows all about this.)

So, Greenwich Council, whaddya think - wouldn't this be great for allotments? Sheltered, a sun trap, near residential areas so almost nil food miles for what is grown there, a "green" alternative to whatever the current owner is planning?

13 June 2008 08:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rod - what is planned for the old factory site in Charlton as I live right near it? I thought the only plans involved the waterfront transit???

17 June 2008 11:55  
Anonymous G said...

Phantom, I couldn't agree more about the need for better provision and a proper campaign - consider me signed up. I live in Westcombe Park, and my two nearest allotment sites are the Maze Hill station-side one and those lovely ones in Humber Road. I tried to put my name down but not only are they full, they have even closed the waiting lists to new names because there is no prospect of getting a plot. I agree entirely with your idea of identifying other pieces of land to turn into allotments - the council itself should be doing this as well.

18 June 2008 15:21  
Anonymous nicki said...

Not sure how relevant this is 2 weeks after the last comment, anyways - I called the council 2 years ago asking to be put on the waiting list. i was told the wait was 18 years!!!!

1 July 2008 14:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: Westcombe Park train station. There's enough land on the north side for 5 or six average plots. Except now it is becoming more and more over grown, Southeastern can't be bothered to mantain their 'common' land. I suggest some guerilla gardening to over take the land. Could you imagine the press/tv if the train company tried to evict you when you are principally up keeping their land. Greenwich charge about £6 per rod on their allotments so at least if the rail companies 'gave' the land over to Greenwich Open spaces they would get a pepper corn income and their land maintained. Sign up here..

17 June 2009 14:22  

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