Prehistoric Greenwich (1) Cox's Mount
CharltonStart of a new occasional series today, guys, delving into Greenwich before Greenwich. Paul has been talking to me about the really ancient prehistory of the area which, in his own words, is "pretty lush," and virtually unknown outside archaeological circles.
He's been doing a bit of his own research, too and making some calculations, measurements and digging (not always literally - anyone who watches Time Team - a controversial programme, we're divided in our household - will know there's nothing like a spot of geo-fizz) and has been coming to some interesting conclusions...
Cox's Mount, at the Thames-end of the Maryon/Maryon-Wilson/Gilberts Pits group, was a vast Iron Age hill fort. I vaguely remember reading about it in Beryl Platt's book (though of course, much as I loved that volume, and romantic as I am, I still felt a tad uneasy about some of her conclusions about mythical characters and fairy tale princes - you'll find my entry on it on April 1st...) and it seems that Charlton was a big deal in the Iron Age. It's hardly surprising - if you climb all the steps up to the top of the mount above Gilbert's Gravel pit it's a loooong way up - and that's after the erosion caused by said pit.

Sadly the gravel pits, fascinating as they are in their own right (another day, another day...) are a large part of the reason why there's virtually nothing left of the fort. We can only guess how big it actually was - excavations reveal it's less than an eighth of its original size, though, and it was certainly big enough for the Romans to cast their beady eyes on it then move in themselves.
Paul's had his metaphorical tape measure out, and though he's still working on it, he has, as a by-product, cleared up a couple of questions I had about road names in the area. Rathmore (Road - where the benches are) means "Great Fort" and Troughton (Road, next door) means "Ditch" - but they are about 1000 metres away and Paul points out this is far too big for a single fort, so it was probably another one. I had wondered, since Paul also tells me that there were some excavations done around the turn of the last century, whether the Victorians named the roads for the dig but it seems that they were done in 1915 - too late, I suspect, for the buildings - so maybe the names are older.


By the time the Romans arrived all that climbing had clearly got to most of the farmers of South-east England, and since numbers were increasing, they were turning more to walled towns. The tribal boundaries would have been miles away anyway by now. But no point in wasting a good fort, and the invading Romans were most interested in its possiblities, which would account for the buildings and vases found.
There don't seem to be any of those fab 'artist's impressions' of the fort itself (yeah, yeah, who didn't buy that one of the Roman soldiers on the loo at Hadrian's Wall as a kid? Ah. Just me, then...) but Paul has sent me a fascinating picture of the view from the fort in the very early 20th Century. A truly involving picture in so many ways. As usual, click on any image to make it larger.

The colour photos are of the 'barrows,' which he took when he nipped under the fence to get a closer look. If you do the same, take care - last time I was there a woman walking her dog nearly ended up in the bushes below...

16 Comments:
I'm firmly in the pro Time Team camp. It may be bite-size research but it was the dream job of a couple of archeologist friends who slaved each summer in a single increasingly tedius spot.
Time Team dug the roman remains in Greenwich park back in 2000:
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/T/timeteam/archive/2000greenwich.html
I'm beggining to think that this whole area of London was positively awash with "Iron Age Don Corleone's" either digging stuff up or burying it in Tumuli (if thats the right spelling for those burial mound thingys).
Thanks Paul and Phantom an interesting piece.
I now have an image of chaps in animal skins with black and white spats and black ties topped off with Fedora's!
Violin cases full of spears?
A mammoth-head in the bed?
I'm firmly pro time team as well, they make a subject that I love extremely accessible. Although I remember that wehn they dug the temple in Greenwich park i was very disappointed that straight after TT had finished, they put the same shabby black victorian railings around the little piece of Tile with no new information, and while i remember walking round a mini time team exhibition in the visitors centre, little more seems to be available in the way of information. If I remember rightly they found a particularly important piece of engraved stone. Damn it all I want to know more.
As for the Charlton site, I've always wanted to take a spade to the site since i was a boy in hopes of finding a roman coin or two, perhaps we could persuade someone to get it dug before it all wears away.
Shaun - there are new railings and a little plaque there now - not much more in the way of stuff to see - especially if they don't cut the grass - it tends to be a bit - "is that it?" but the best the Friends coul do under the cicumstances. They got Lindsey Davis to unveil it - appropriately...
Be fair, dear Phantom. Beryl Platts was quoting - as you were, too in your piece - the round-up by Geoffrey of Monmouth of the pre-Roman Conquest anecdotes about Britain and southern Britain in particular. BP was pointing out that the topography in those rather strange and highly specific tales fitted Greenwich better than other suggested sites.
You're very right, Anon. And it's a lovely thought. Indeed I like to think it myself. I just wouldn't want to have to prove it!
Hey - how about a reprint WITH footnotes???
I'm beginning to think that there is once again a market for local history books - they all seem to be slowly going out of print. What we need is a publisher with vision. And quite a stack of cash...
Yes, I think that's where the Concordance could be fun. BP very busy at the moment, but perhaps we could persuade her...
I'd buy a copy, that's for certain. Her writing style is one of the most readable I've come across - I devoured it all in one evening the day I bought my copy. And the footnotes are often the best bit about books - it's where I find what would today be called "fun trivia" - though maybe that's not QUITE what they were intended for...
Quite a few bits and bobs of pre-history around - I stumbled on this a few weeks ago, having had no idea it was there:
http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/YourEnvironment/GreenSpace/Monuments/ShrewsburyTumulus.htm
One on Winns Common over in Plumstead too - this looks fairly promising ...
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=occupation+lane+se18&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=9.925015,24.56543&ie=UTF8&ll=51.481329,0.096039&spn=0.001276,0.002999&t=h&z=18
Bah. Unhelpfully truncated links above. Link tags don't work.
http://tinurl.us/00366d
http://tinurl.us/1ee2b5
Thank 'ee John. Tumuli posts coming up in future weeks...
Ah, mostly accurate.
There are three prominent topographic features in Maryon Park; the ridge between the two former gravel pits, the feature known as Cox's Mound and the the railway spoil heap.
The colour pics you feature are of the ridge between the gravel pits (some 36m above sea level). The depressions in the ground are not Iron Age ditches but, er, the remains of Home Guard trenches.
The monochrome pic of the mound with chalky-white trails is not Iron Age either (the mound, not the pic, obv.)It's the waste from the rail cutting and tunnel.
The one feature you haven't pictured is, um, Cox's Mound (some 24m above sea level). That's the one where 'Blow Up' was filmed. It has an interesting history that I can't accurately recall, but seem to remember it was leased by the Maryon-Wilsons to a chap who played cricket on the flat top. Or had picnic parties there. Or possibly both.
Ah - I only ever promise to be 'mostly-accurate.' Kids.Never base a school essay on what I have to say...
;-)
Is it just me or is "Cox's Mount" a just a tad saucy??
Fnarr Fnarr.
Sorry to be so base.
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