The Telegraph Inn?
We're having a pub-sort of week here...
Geri asks:
I do genealogical research into my Newell family. I had a long ago relative that owned a place called "The Telegraph Inn" on Maidenstone Hill in Greenwich. Do you know if the building is still around, and/or if there is a pub or Inn there? I come to London every summer, and would go for a pint if it was there.
It's at 1, Telegraph Place, Maidenstone Hill.
I was working on this "pub" part of my family into the wee hours of the morning, and have discovered there were 3 other pubs, with unknown names,but I have the addresses. Just on the off chance that you know something,I'll give you the addresses. They are all in Greenwich, and all the pubs were owned by the Hanscomb family.
8 Bath Street
6 Straightsmouth
16 Langdale
The Phantom Replies:
Geri - I found the genealogical reference you did - and it says they were there by 1904 but I don't know of anything like that there now. I actually went all the way along Maidenstone Hill this morning just in case I was wrong - but I can't find any pub of any description - and nor can I find a Telegraph Place. There is a very odd bit of road where Maidenstone Hill seems to split into two and both bits seem to be called "Maidenstone Hill" - so maybe one of these was once your Telegraph Place. The nearest Telegraph Place I know of is in the Isle of Dogs.
It's hardly surprising that the pub's gone - they seem to be an endangered species nowadays - either being turned into flats or just bulldozed - as in the case of the poor old Penny Black a few months ago.
Even more embarrassing I don't know of a Bath St in Greenwich, (it could have once been around the Georgian/Regency areas - Bath was very fashionable then) though I did find one pub called The Corner Pin and another called The Ironfounder Arms on Cold Bath St, which also seems to have disappeared.
Of course Langdale Road is still there. Off the top of my head and without taking another peek, I can't instantly think of a pub on it. Straightsmouth has a lot of work going on at the moment (much redevelopment) but I can't think of a pub on that road either. I have found in a 1934 listing online, a beer retailer (though whether an actual pub or just an offy isn't clear) called George William Willis at Number 1 Straightsmouth, but after that my trail (like the beer) runs dry.
But I'm no expert. Does anyone have any extra clues for Geri?
Geri asks:
I do genealogical research into my Newell family. I had a long ago relative that owned a place called "The Telegraph Inn" on Maidenstone Hill in Greenwich. Do you know if the building is still around, and/or if there is a pub or Inn there? I come to London every summer, and would go for a pint if it was there.
It's at 1, Telegraph Place, Maidenstone Hill.
I was working on this "pub" part of my family into the wee hours of the morning, and have discovered there were 3 other pubs, with unknown names,but I have the addresses. Just on the off chance that you know something,I'll give you the addresses. They are all in Greenwich, and all the pubs were owned by the Hanscomb family.
8 Bath Street
6 Straightsmouth
16 Langdale
The Phantom Replies:
Geri - I found the genealogical reference you did - and it says they were there by 1904 but I don't know of anything like that there now. I actually went all the way along Maidenstone Hill this morning just in case I was wrong - but I can't find any pub of any description - and nor can I find a Telegraph Place. There is a very odd bit of road where Maidenstone Hill seems to split into two and both bits seem to be called "Maidenstone Hill" - so maybe one of these was once your Telegraph Place. The nearest Telegraph Place I know of is in the Isle of Dogs.
It's hardly surprising that the pub's gone - they seem to be an endangered species nowadays - either being turned into flats or just bulldozed - as in the case of the poor old Penny Black a few months ago.
Even more embarrassing I don't know of a Bath St in Greenwich, (it could have once been around the Georgian/Regency areas - Bath was very fashionable then) though I did find one pub called The Corner Pin and another called The Ironfounder Arms on Cold Bath St, which also seems to have disappeared.
Of course Langdale Road is still there. Off the top of my head and without taking another peek, I can't instantly think of a pub on it. Straightsmouth has a lot of work going on at the moment (much redevelopment) but I can't think of a pub on that road either. I have found in a 1934 listing online, a beer retailer (though whether an actual pub or just an offy isn't clear) called George William Willis at Number 1 Straightsmouth, but after that my trail (like the beer) runs dry.
But I'm no expert. Does anyone have any extra clues for Geri?
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posted by The Greenwich Phantom at
13:59
12 Comments:
Phantom
i used to live much nearer to maidenstone hill, but from memory there is a likely candidate.
The house with the morning glory growing on the front, at the royal hill end is quite different in shape to the other houses on the street.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts
SBW
You're right - it IS different. And a good traditional spot for a pub. Maybe it was there.
Anyone else got any thoughts?
Bath St, Cold Bath St - reckon it's actually Coldbath St, SE13?
John
I've located Telegraph Place on my 1894 map of Greenwich -it ran west off Maidenstone Hill to Trinity Street. (I don't know this area, but it looks as if the current Dutton St.has replaced it). From the old map, the buildings at either end of the street look larger than the others so either could be the pub. There's only 8 properties shown, all on the north side of the road.
Hope that's helpful -I'll see what I can do with the other pubs you're looking for.
Further research on an 1867 map of Greenwich indicates a public house on Straightsmouth, roughly opposite the junction with Randall Place. A passageway called Rymer's Buildings runs alonside it. This is before the railway was extended from Greenwich, but my 1913 map still indicates a building on the same site.
Impressive stuff, Valley Girl! Thanks!!
If you thought that was impressive - you ain't seen nothing yet. Once i get started i just can't stop. i finally tracked down a reference to a pub called the Fisherman's Arms on a Bath Street in Greenwich, with a publican called Mrs E Russell. This was an entry from the essex, Herts, Kent and Sussex 1855 Publicans' Directory. I found this on a website called www. historicaldirectories.org which looks like a great source of information. However, I still haven't found where Bath St.might have been.
I've also drawn a blank with anything on Langdale.
A correction re the Straightsmouth pub - I checked anothermap and it looks like the buildings might have been cleared for the building of the railway.
I'd be interested if Geri finds out any more.
While doing all of this, I really hit home how many pubs come and go through the course of history and how evocative the names are of a particular era. Before they all disappear under yet more redevelopment, I intend to make a photographic record of my locals here in Charlton before they disappear, just in case someone wants this sort of information in years to come.
Wow - you guys really have really delved into this for me, and come up with some terrific ideas and hints for my research.
After reading Valley Girl's post, I did a search on The Fisherman's Arms, and found my Hanscomb to by the proprietor in 1862! It also listed the address as 11 John Penn at Cold Bath Street in 1874.
So this is a great find! And I see it in Google Maps. And am assuming, for the moment at least, that 8 Bath Street was another entrance door to the pub.
I really appreciate all that you're doing here.
I will keep plugging away on this and let you all know if i come up with any more info.
Geri in Canada
I have lived in west greenwich for forty years, and as a child used to live in the Royal George in Blisset st,near the telegrap pub and Maienstone Hill. I remember the pub well. It was demolished in the seventies along with telegraph place, which was a right angles street of very fine terraced regency houses. I suspect the terrace and pub were got rid of for structural reasons, but an older neighbour recently told me that the council had intended to drive a four lane motorway through what is now Greenwich south street. It may be that this was al part of the plan. The 1970's saw a lot of destruction by the planners in Greenwich, and many fine buildings were lost.The Ashburnham Triangle association came about in 1974, folowing the demolition of the gothic almshouses at the bottom of ashburnham Grove, which replaced by a hideous modern development. The pub you are refering to at langdale road is probabley the one that was a thirties building on the corner of what was Straightsmouth and the High road, again, recently demolished and now occupied by the huge hotel next to the BR station
Wow - that's fascinating, Ash1. Thanks so much.
Where the new Baptist chappel now sits on Straightsmouth used to be a pub called The Druid/s ("arms" maybe)
A James Miller was the victualler there in 1849...
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