"Heart of East Greenwich" consultation
I say 'look' at their plans as I really believe that whatever anyone says on their little piece of paper in the way of comments will be looked at - then utterly ignored. But hey. They let us look at them for one afternoon and one evening and I guess we should be grateful...
What really jumped out to me was that nothing jumped out. Someone on the last thread mentioned that it was all done using a computer kit, which is why it all looks the same. And they must be right. There is no genuinely original thought here - a wavy roof on one bit and a few scribbled-in lollipop trees and bushes doesn't hide the rest of it.
Why are they creating all those shop spaces when we can't fill the ones we have along Woolwich Road? Wouldn't it be best to landscape that area for now (I know, I know - architects are allergic to the colour green unless it's in lollipop form...) and wait for the shops in Trafalgar and Woolwich roads to fill up, and, when we have a head of retail steam in East Greenwich, then build some more shops and cafes to suit what the area has turned into? As it is I can see acres of boarded up NEW shops as well as the old ones. The first thing that people will see on entering the area is a load of un-taken shops with just the odd bit of tumbleweed drifting between the new dole office and the rest of the council buildings, the scruffy Starbucks, inhabited by truant teenagers its only open shop.
They very cunningly put so many images of happy people 'using' the facilities that it was quite difficult to concentrate on the actual buildings; that may have been because the images of people were more interesting than the buildings. There were a selection of what I at first took to be kiddies building blocks but turned out to be samples of the materials they'll be using. Cheap and nasty, dyed bright colours to try to conceal the fact.
And maybe that's it. We have got this design because it's cheap. East Greenwich is far enough away from the posh historic end for it not to be visited much by tourists, therefore somehow it doesn't matter. Who cares if all that new traffic pours out onto Woolwich Road making it even more congested than it is now? (When I asked about this I was told that everything would be alright because they were "only allowing left turns" - no thought given either to how that would be enforced - or what even the left-hand turns would do to traffic that gets banked up to the A102M every morning.)
Would you believe that the argument I was given for allowing all the extra parking was that the hospital would have had cars? I guess there would have been a small car park - but any hospital traffic would have been coming and going throughout the day, not all trying to leave for work at 7.30am. Besides, in the years the hospital has been dead, the traffic has increased to fill the gap it left. It's no longer a viable argument IMHO.
I went with my mum. She doesn't live in the area, but she always loves to visit Greenwich because it's lovely - even the East bit. I think she summed it up. She walked round, studying the boards in silence. As we left, she just said "Greenwich deserves better, really, doesn't it..."
http://www.firstbase.com/heart.html
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Perhaps we shouldn't underestimate the importance of plenty of parking spaces (although I am well aware that some correspondents will espouse an anti-car agenda and won't agree with this).
When Greenwich District Hospital was open parking in the local streets was a nightmare. Prior to the parking restrictions, which were introduced in the run up to the Millennium celebrations at the Dome, there used to be a massive influx of hospital workers who all needed somewhere to park. It was a chronic pain which was only ameliorated when the parking zones were operative- although, to be fair, most people moving into the area should have been aware of the parking pressures before deciding to live locally. If there are plenty of onsite parking spaces for council workers (lets not forget that the site is supposed to be one of three much-needed major locations for Greenwich Council services) and for shoppers then local residents may possibly be able to park reasonably close to their own homes. I like to be able to keep an admiring eye on my beautiful, gas-guzzling Bentley!
You park a Bentley on the street? Blimey.
Surely it's all resident parking anyway round there?
It's not really the parking that bothers me so much as the logistics of encouraging more traffic onto the streets. I am absolutely not anti-car - I just hope they know what they're doing bringing more traffic onto already congested streets (it will be exacerbated by the Lovell's Wharf development too.)
From the Firstbase link...
"You need the Flash player 6 to view sections of this site"
So much for ease of access :-(
I think the website is to impress clients and other architects - not the people who would actually use it.
When I visited the consultation, I overheard a resident ask one of the developers "Why are all the buildings at the moment covered in this brightly coloured slatted wood?". The answer was a shrug of the shoulders and "I guess it's the current fashion". I left feeling rather depressed - the scheme is all right, but it's only that, nothing more.
Rather than these glossy mock-ups done on computers with (fake) shiny happy people, maybe we should ask to see what First Base's home look like 10 or 20 years after they've built. I suspect the answer is that they'll look a little bit dated, and yes, very cheap. I'm afraid I agree with the phantom's Mum.
The traffic situation was made much much worse by the introduction of a new phasing system and new lights at places like the junction of maze hill. If they just had a sensible phasing policy and got rid of the lights that they put in then hey presto!
It's not all bad - I heard that the Greenwich Meantime Brewery are relocating to the site and will also build a new pub and restaurant. That's got to be good and it means I don't have to walk all the way to the Union in Royal Hill!
Now THAT sounds interesting. I love the idea of them opening a branch in East Greenwich - but why don't they just take over The Old Friends now it's dead? That would really perk up the area.
Hello, Phantom, from a first-time commenter. Went to the 'consultation' last Thursday evening and was as underwhelmed as everyone else. Looks like we'll be lumbered with this whatever the public reaction. Just wanted to ask about East Greenwich Library: a 'consultant' for First Base said it will be replaced by the new library, and that only the frontage of the current building is listed. Does anyone know if that's correct? Is it doomed to become yet more flats? Poor Andrew Carnegie...
Don't worry Andrekabu, you didn't miss anything on the website except lots of pictures of happy people in generic buildings.
However, I did find the new swimming pool (apparently TWO pools in fact) buried in the masterplan, which is what I was looking for. Bad news is, further for me to go for my swim: good news is the new pool in Deptford should be ready long before then, Hurrah!
Good God, Alipom, is nothing sacred? I had assumed that the current library would be slightly altered for use as the music department of Greenwich Community College (it's already partly there) but your post fills me with misery.
Those people at the consultation have no idea whatsoever about anything to do with heritage. All they see is something that's in the way and they've worked out exactly how much they can demolish. There are some really interesting internal features in that dear little place but these philistines just can't wait to get their sticky little mitts on a piece of prime real estate.
While I was there I overheard them talking about how they;d all got there - The Forum and its surroundings were clearly an alien country to them. We don't even get the courtesy of people who know the area.
Thanks for commenting - it;s always good to have new people around!
My pleasure, Phantom (commenting, I mean, not depressing you). Don't let my post get you down: the person I talked to was vague on this issue and maybe your assumption will turn out to be correct (although as it is eminently sensible, preserves an interesting building for community use, and doesn't involve building more flats, that may be a long-shot).
Thanks for blogging. Your haunts seem to be very near mine and it's comforting to know another restless spirit patrols Woolwich Road ...
Aw shucks. Thanks for reading.
"Why are all the buildings at the moment covered in this brightly coloured slatted wood?".
Good bloody question!
I live on Woolwich Rd, and I was at the amusingly named Vanburgh 2000 surgery today, admiring the architecture (if you look this and the old hospital up in Pevsner it says 'architect - DHSS'. Nice.), and walking past the scrubland (or rather, peeking through the fence) - unbelievable that a hospital was allowed to be demolished for this sort of half-arsed pish.
On the traffic question - erm, surely there's more than enough round there? it can take about half an hour just to get up Trafalgar Rd on the bus...
Too many cars trying to use a limited amount of road? Sounds like an ideal situation for congestion charging!
Seriously.
that site should have been the new John Roan School...makes me cross...
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