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Saturday, 17 February 2007

Gloucester Circus

I notice that the two houses that have been being restored on the posh side of Goucester Circus are up for sale for £ 2.5m each. I am sure that someone will tell me that that's cheap for London but it's still probably the steepest these babies have been up for, so I thought that today was as good as any to take a look at the joys of Gloucester Circus.

It's an odd place - clearly intended to mirror the great circuses of Bath and central London, but you have to be careful which angle you view it from - only just over half of it is 18th Century - the rest is dodgy 1950s flats. I have always pondered to myself which side I would prefer - to live in the flats and have the view or to have the gorgeous houses and look at the flats. In reality of course there's no contest, especially in summer - the oval central green, surrounded by railings, is full of lovely old mature trees which effectively mask each side.

It's easy to assume that half of the circus was the victim of the wartime bombs that devastated great swathes of Greenwich, but the truth is rather more prosaic.

Gloucester Circus was designed by local architect Michael Searles (who later went on to create The Paragon in Blackheath) and built between 1791 and 1809. Searles, who started out as a surveyor, had grand ideas - not for him the boring old circles of most circuses being built at the time - he fancied for his Greenwich version something new - an oval. It was going to be two sweeping crescents with pediments at each end - one opening onto the Park and Crooms Hill; the other onto Royal Hill.

Trouble is, Greenwich wasn't really posh enough at the time to take a feature such as this - there just weren't enough moneyed people who wanted to live in what was, frankly, a bit of a grotty area. Odd pockets of grandeur existed - such as Wren's Hospital and individual houses - and even the Spread Eagle had made a bit of an effort to spruce itself up - but South East London was, to most, just an industrialish, dock-ish sort of town. (Actually, some people I meet from other areas still regard it as a bit of a backwater. I don't make much effort to dissuade them from this - we don't want any old hoi-poloy coming here, do we...)

There wasn't enough initial takeup on Gloucester Circus, which was, after all, a speculative build needing the cash from the first sales to fund the rest, and only one complete side was built - and even that took nearly twenty years to do. The pediments were finished - albeit a bit wimpishly - and a couple of extra houses built on the west side, but eventually the builders just gave up. I bet there are a few developers who'd jump at the opportunity to turf out the poor residents of the 1950s(?) flats and finish the job now, though.

Somehow poor old Gloucester Circus didn't last very long as lovely homes for the upper middle classes. By the early 20th Century they'd fallen into disrepair and eked out a living as tenements for dockers and other working class people. It was only comparitively recently that they have come up in the world to what James Johnston is (perhaps optimistically) calling "probably the best address in Greenwich."

Which brings us to the present. If you want one of these houses now, it will set you back £ 2.5m - but don't forget - it will be useless if you want more than 6 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms and 3 ensuites. I couldn't find out how big the gardens are at the back - do tell if you know. The one person I have ever met from the Circus tells me that the private gardens in the centre are today a bit of a nightmare to upkeep - they are jointly responsible for the now rather large trees. I doubt I'd complain...

It's a popular haunt for film crews - like much of Greenwich - but sadly it rarely stands in for itself - it's usually meant to be somewhere else. We need more films set in Greenwich.

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19 Comments:

Anonymous Andrekabu said...

"the best address in Greenwich"

Sounds like an interesting topic for debate. I'd put forth my own street. I love it so, but I'm not about to tell which one it is. It's nice because not everyone realises what a gem it is. Also, wonderful neighbours make it, and dreadful ones would easily break it.

18 February 2007 15:17  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

My own nomination is The Grange in Crooms Hill. I'll discuss it sometime...

Neighbours are everthing though - I have no idea what kind of community Crooms Hill is...

18 February 2007 18:08  
Anonymous m32 said...

Personally I wouldn't class living in a house with neighbours who can afford to spend 2.5 million on a house the best address in Greenwich but maybe that's just me.

19 February 2007 10:47  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

Well I guess it depends on how you classify "best." It's all down to personalities and friendships - I'm prepared to believe that anyone can be nice, however much cash they may or may not have. I guess my problem might be with houses that cost that much that unless people already have the money to spend on a house like that they might be working such long hours acquiring the readies that you'd never actually see them, thus rendering the concept of "community" a bit thin.

But who knows. Maybe someone who reads this blog actually lives in GC? I'd love to hear from you. Is it a good community to live in?

19 February 2007 11:02  
Blogger Dave said...

Thank you for filling in a gap in my local knowledge. It still astounds me that planners in the 1950s were so unsympathetic to the character of the local area.

One question though, why do the residents of the Circus pay different council tax charges to us 'commoners'?

21 February 2007 17:34  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

Do they? Do tell...

21 February 2007 17:36  
Blogger Dave said...

All is revealed on the Council's website:

http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/YourCouncil/CouncilTax/GloucesterCircusCouncilTax.htm

I guess this is something to do with the private garden. You mentioned in your post that the residents have joint responsibility for maintaining the trees. Perhaps a resident could confirm.

21 February 2007 21:45  
Blogger Dave said...

Sorry link doesn't appear to work but you can search for the Gloucester Circus page easily enough on the website.

The top band tax payers in the Circus pay an extra £182.16 a year.

21 February 2007 21:57  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

And let's face it - do we care? Council Tax is (supposedly) based on the value of a property - presumably when the bands were being doled out, it was noticed that the people who live there earn a spot more than the residents of, say, the Kidbrooke Estate...

BTW the link works just fine. Thanks.

22 February 2007 08:16  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

Oh - and another thing. Apparently I got a bit of my potted history wrong. Apparently the Circus WAS hit during WWII, but luckily the bombers were Nazis of taste and refinement, as they only hit the horrid mean little houses that made up the rest of the crescent, not the bits that were in the original. So - it really was another missed opportunity in the 50s, eh.

22 February 2007 08:19  
Anonymous mali'sghost said...

someone I once worked for lives there. Drives a porsche which he has great trouble getting in and out of.

23 February 2007 18:23  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

Tee hee. Is he the sort of person you'd want as a neighbour?

23 February 2007 18:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can tell you how big the gardens are because my client is buying one of the houses for £2.5 or maybe a bit less ; ) Not many places in London you can buy such grandeur for £657 per square foot.

08 March 2007 08:13  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

You have a point there. So how big IS the garden then?

08 March 2007 08:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good sized garden when it was the bail hostel and before the sad stabbing. Split into 2 gardens they are nothing to write home about. They go back about 17metre but are in a steep slope so hard to use.The whole building sold at auction for £1.4....so room for negotiation on the asking price.!!

21 May 2007 16:01  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

Fascinating. Thanks.

21 May 2007 16:03  
Anonymous paul t said...

The bombers DID get the Crescent - and those two houses in particular. Funny how, in the estate agent spiel about Searles and Georgian grandeur, they forget to mention those two house were built in the 50s or 60s to replace the originals! I'm guessing the council built them, which was why they ended up as the bail hostel.

The 'restoration' is naff, too, with nasty thick glazing bars, and cheap staircases. I guess those two properties weren't listed so the developers could get away with pretty much what they wanted in pursuit of their £3.5m markup. You do get some pretty curtains and flowers for your money, though.

23 May 2007 20:11  
Blogger The Greenwich Phantom said...

Fascinating. Thanks. It's interesting that the fact that those two buildings were destroyed and quietly rebuilt has slipped out of the history books. They just say that the West side got flattened.

24 May 2007 08:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just found this site I like it

Two questions A Why has the first house on the corner got CIRCUS on the side wall. B When was there a stabbing ? and which house and when was it a bail house

Thanks

18 July 2008 14:02  

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